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		<title>Comment on Jackie Bradley&#8217;s Time is Not Now by southpaw777</title>
		<link>http://wickedclevah.com/2013/03/14/jbj-the-time-is-not-now/comment-page-1/#comment-823</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then wouldnt you want his for that extra year? I would. Sorry, but keeping him in AAA until april 12th is a small price for another very valuable year of control in todays MLB...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then wouldnt you want his for that extra year? I would. Sorry, but keeping him in AAA until april 12th is a small price for another very valuable year of control in todays MLB&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jackie Bradley&#8217;s Time is Not Now by James Harper</title>
		<link>http://wickedclevah.com/2013/03/14/jbj-the-time-is-not-now/comment-page-1/#comment-821</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Harper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with your assertion spring stats are meaningless, however that is not why JBJ should be our starting LF.  First, he has a batting eye that is major league ready.  He sees and identifies pitches quickly and lays off junk.  That skill will translate to any league. Secondly, JBJ is better than Nava and probably equal to Gomes at this point in terms of production.  If they are equal or even similar than the job should to the younger guy and Gomes becomes 4th OF and in the DH rotation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your assertion spring stats are meaningless, however that is not why JBJ should be our starting LF.  First, he has a batting eye that is major league ready.  He sees and identifies pitches quickly and lays off junk.  That skill will translate to any league. Secondly, JBJ is better than Nava and probably equal to Gomes at this point in terms of production.  If they are equal or even similar than the job should to the younger guy and Gomes becomes 4th OF and in the DH rotation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jackie Bradley&#8217;s Time is Not Now by sog</title>
		<link>http://wickedclevah.com/2013/03/14/jbj-the-time-is-not-now/comment-page-1/#comment-820</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@redsoxu571: thanks for the comment. couple of thoughts:

spring training statistics versus ZIPS (as well as other projection) systems is the definition of an apples to oranges comparison. the former reflects non-competitive performances (i.e. pitchers working on a specific pitch), non-major league caliber talent (look at the roster for any given game), hitters and pitchers regaining their timing and so on. in other words, it&#039;s value-less from a numbers perspective. and while i&#039;ve obviously focused on red sox examples to make it easier to relate to the examples, you can go through every teams spring training numbers and find exactly the same thing. in other words it&#039;s not cherry picking, it&#039;s the spring training reality. 

projection systems, on the other hand, are built on more reliable data: major league players competing against major league players, in games that actually count. they are therefore much more reliable as a predictor of future performance. 

every creator of a projection system, however, will freely and happily admit that the systems are imperfect. if anyone could predict the future with perfect accuracy, they probably would be working on wall street rather than in baseball. what projection systems are designed to provide, instead, is a version of the future that is measurably better than what we might come up with in the absence of such systems, by guessing. and it is indisputably better than what you would project based on spring training statistics. 

which is why the mike trout comparison is unfair. trout did something that maybe two or three other players have ever done in the history of the game. expecting projection systems to anticipate that kind of once in a generation performance is a fool&#039;s errand, because the simple fact is that unexpected variances - good and bad - are part of what keeps life interesting. all that we can ask of projections is to give us their best guess based on past performances, and if a player hits that 1 in 1000 projection, tip your cap and hope the model gets it better next time. and appreciate the performance, of course. 

in the meantime, i&#039;ll take ZIPS over spring training stats. maybe - hopefully - bradley outperforms the ZIPS line because we don&#039;t have major league data for him. but if i had to bet between the .696 OPS forecast by ZIPS and his 1.343 OPS line from Spring Training, i know which i&#039;d take.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@redsoxu571: thanks for the comment. couple of thoughts:</p>
<p>spring training statistics versus ZIPS (as well as other projection) systems is the definition of an apples to oranges comparison. the former reflects non-competitive performances (i.e. pitchers working on a specific pitch), non-major league caliber talent (look at the roster for any given game), hitters and pitchers regaining their timing and so on. in other words, it&#8217;s value-less from a numbers perspective. and while i&#8217;ve obviously focused on red sox examples to make it easier to relate to the examples, you can go through every teams spring training numbers and find exactly the same thing. in other words it&#8217;s not cherry picking, it&#8217;s the spring training reality. </p>
<p>projection systems, on the other hand, are built on more reliable data: major league players competing against major league players, in games that actually count. they are therefore much more reliable as a predictor of future performance. </p>
<p>every creator of a projection system, however, will freely and happily admit that the systems are imperfect. if anyone could predict the future with perfect accuracy, they probably would be working on wall street rather than in baseball. what projection systems are designed to provide, instead, is a version of the future that is measurably better than what we might come up with in the absence of such systems, by guessing. and it is indisputably better than what you would project based on spring training statistics. </p>
<p>which is why the mike trout comparison is unfair. trout did something that maybe two or three other players have ever done in the history of the game. expecting projection systems to anticipate that kind of once in a generation performance is a fool&#8217;s errand, because the simple fact is that unexpected variances &#8211; good and bad &#8211; are part of what keeps life interesting. all that we can ask of projections is to give us their best guess based on past performances, and if a player hits that 1 in 1000 projection, tip your cap and hope the model gets it better next time. and appreciate the performance, of course. </p>
<p>in the meantime, i&#8217;ll take ZIPS over spring training stats. maybe &#8211; hopefully &#8211; bradley outperforms the ZIPS line because we don&#8217;t have major league data for him. but if i had to bet between the .696 OPS forecast by ZIPS and his 1.343 OPS line from Spring Training, i know which i&#8217;d take.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jackie Bradley&#8217;s Time is Not Now by redsoxu571</title>
		<link>http://wickedclevah.com/2013/03/14/jbj-the-time-is-not-now/comment-page-1/#comment-819</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[redsoxu571]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fantastic points...I do have to quibble with one thing, though: why did you bother to cite ZIPS here? You note how worthless ST stats are, and yet apparently overlook that projection systems are almost as worthless for young players.
Case in point: Mike Trout. His ZIPS projection was .267/.338/.414, and I don&#039;t have to tell you how far off that was. Heck, it couldn&#039;t even come close to nailing Trout&#039;s stolen base profile (39 SB/14 CS projection, 49/5 actual).

Even if you take a player with a much more similar profile to Bradley&#039;s, Yonder Alonso, you see that ZIPS is largely taking a shot in the dark (likely just taking the player&#039;s minor league performance and running it through an expected percentage decline of production for whatever league jump the player was set to make). JBJ has only one full season in the minors, so his potential production is all over the map.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic points&#8230;I do have to quibble with one thing, though: why did you bother to cite ZIPS here? You note how worthless ST stats are, and yet apparently overlook that projection systems are almost as worthless for young players.<br />
Case in point: Mike Trout. His ZIPS projection was .267/.338/.414, and I don&#8217;t have to tell you how far off that was. Heck, it couldn&#8217;t even come close to nailing Trout&#8217;s stolen base profile (39 SB/14 CS projection, 49/5 actual).</p>
<p>Even if you take a player with a much more similar profile to Bradley&#8217;s, Yonder Alonso, you see that ZIPS is largely taking a shot in the dark (likely just taking the player&#8217;s minor league performance and running it through an expected percentage decline of production for whatever league jump the player was set to make). JBJ has only one full season in the minors, so his potential production is all over the map.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Would Nick Do by John</title>
		<link>http://wickedclevah.com/2013/03/03/what-would-nick-do/comment-page-1/#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 04:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this post. Cafardo seems to be suffering from Mazzaritis (he&#039;ll keep whining about not signing Hamilton like Mazz did with them signing Teixeira).

Would&#039;ve been so hypocritical for them to have freed up the salary only to repeat sequence from 2010-2011 in handing out big money to aging players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post. Cafardo seems to be suffering from Mazzaritis (he&#8217;ll keep whining about not signing Hamilton like Mazz did with them signing Teixeira).</p>
<p>Would&#8217;ve been so hypocritical for them to have freed up the salary only to repeat sequence from 2010-2011 in handing out big money to aging players.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Tale of Two Players by The 2013 ZIPS Red Sox Projections: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly &#124; wicked clevah</title>
		<link>http://wickedclevah.com/2012/12/01/two-players/comment-page-1/#comment-786</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The 2013 ZIPS Red Sox Projections: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly &#124; wicked clevah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] that Middlebrooks is an anomaly that projection systems are ill-equipped to handle. As written here in December, I&#8217;m highly concerned about his approach at the plate. If ZIPS is correct, those concerns are [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that Middlebrooks is an anomaly that projection systems are ill-equipped to handle. As written here in December, I&#8217;m highly concerned about his approach at the plate. If ZIPS is correct, those concerns are [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Real Reason The Red Sox Rebooted Their Roster by The Red Sox 2013 Plan &#8211; wicked clevah</title>
		<link>http://wickedclevah.com/2012/08/26/reboot/comment-page-1/#comment-463</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Red Sox 2013 Plan &#8211; wicked clevah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] reset the roster in late August, the Red Sox effectively had two paths open to them for 2013. The first path, best [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reset the roster in late August, the Red Sox effectively had two paths open to them for 2013. The first path, best [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on How I Would Rebuild the Red Sox by David Churbuck (@dchurbuck)</title>
		<link>http://wickedclevah.com/2012/11/11/how-i-would-rebuild-the-red-sox/comment-page-1/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Churbuck (@dchurbuck)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I buy that plan. We still lack a hot arm to act as ace, but I have great expectations for Lavarnway @ C.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I buy that plan. We still lack a hot arm to act as ace, but I have great expectations for Lavarnway @ C.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How I Would Rebuild the Red Sox by I Said One Year, Ben, Not Three &#8211; wicked clevah</title>
		<link>http://wickedclevah.com/2012/11/11/how-i-would-rebuild-the-red-sox/comment-page-1/#comment-439</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I Said One Year, Ben, Not Three &#8211; wicked clevah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Ben Cherington&#8217;s been reading this blog, it&#8217;s not too closely. While Victorino was a suggested target, the recommended contract length was one year, not three. But instead the Red Sox have bought [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ben Cherington&#8217;s been reading this blog, it&#8217;s not too closely. While Victorino was a suggested target, the recommended contract length was one year, not three. But instead the Red Sox have bought [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Don&#039;t Believe the Hype: The Scutaro Deal is Mystifying by Red Sox Pull Off the Impossible &#124; All Things Cahill</title>
		<link>http://wickedclevah.com/2012/01/22/scutaro-deal-2/comment-page-1/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Red Sox Pull Off the Impossible &#124; All Things Cahill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] would constrain Red Sox (or Yankee) payrolls as recently as March of this year, the Marco Scutaro trade two months before was proof enough that the times were changing. When the Red Sox trade their [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] would constrain Red Sox (or Yankee) payrolls as recently as March of this year, the Marco Scutaro trade two months before was proof enough that the times were changing. When the Red Sox trade their [...]</p>
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